How to stomp on a lit bag of chimp faeces with panache

Over the weekend I remarked that the dolts at GraniteGrok.com had not only evaded this week’s round of simple questions about their stance on gay unions but had corrupted their position further by posting a clip from an indefatigably profane former rocker and right-wing icon. Now, with tear-jerking but predictable irony, they have slid further into their own toxic morass by posting something apparently intended as an insult, or a retort, or something. It consists of a picture of three chimpanzees and a series of sentences that might have been written by those chimps.
I’ll try to keep this brief (but won’t) and to the point. Doug writes:


“Using big fancy words in some apparent attempt at demonstrating their superior intelligence, interspread with salty language mostly heard in biker bars and drunken sailor enclaves, the “Chimps” cannot say enough how they despise us and our points of view…”
Hmm. “Interspread” is such a big word that even I have never seen it; I think someone may have confused it with “interspersed.”
Anyway, at this point Doug no longer even pretends to acknowledge the truth — that this isn’t about us or them, but about honest ideas concerning civil unions, homosexuality in general, and other ideas that would be of no concern if a bunch of misguided desert-wandering plagiarists hadn’t decided to to create yet another unwashed godman/martyr-icon, one flying from a couple of two-by-fours with holes punched in his legendary hands for the world’s bereaved and dark-minded to rally around, a figure who unwittingly but neatly separated men and women into MORAL and IMMORAL camps for at least the next 75 generations.
Here’s my idea of framing: Judy would not be complaining about gays if it wasn’t for the shit smeared all around the interior of her skull by whichever agent of doom first sucked her irrevocably down the path of worshipping Zippy the Psychotic Pinhead’s nonexistent celestial twin, and Doug and Skip wouldn’t need to support her.
From the beginning I’ve been trying like hell to get some answers, good bad or ugly, from all of these people. But you can’t get blood from a Grok, and they have shown an increasing lack of interest in concern with rising levels of frustration tempered only by the fact that someone, anyone, has noticed them. In truth, despite the flagrancy of their outcries, I doubt I even would have said a word about GraniteGrok.com had it not been the fact that they purport to represent my home state, a place I can’t help but like.
Doug claims that we, or I guess I, can’t especially dislike their “religious beliefs and unabashed defense of traditional marriage.”
This is how bigots always justify their attacks: by claiming to “defend” something. In the crossed eyes of this crew, railing against gay civil unions is tantamount to standing up for heterosexual marriage. In that case, leaving notes that say “fuck off, darkies” in the mailboxes of black families so that they’re inclined to move out of a mostly white neighborhood is nothing more than a defense of European-American heritage, and railroading quiet Muslims, Hindus, or the entirely god-free out of a Mississippi town is simply a defense of Christianity. This is not a gambit to not-so-slyly skirt Godwin’s Law or otherwise go for the rhetorical kill by invoking modern society’s most extreme examples of bigotry; it’s reality. Not one person or one couple in America is deprived of anything when two gays tie the knot. They Groksters at some level know this, which is why they haven’t even tried to give examples of material damage done to anyone by “the gay lifestyle.” I’ve asked them and others countless times to supply examples of harm done to straights in places where civil unions are legal, and all they can do is stammer and blink owlishly and contort their faces into Mr. Magoo-like ricti of angry confusion. It frustrates the shit out of them that they cannot reconcile their programmed distaste with reality, and in response they post pictures of our primate cousins, videos of deaf gun-nuts, and basically evidence all of the wisdom, composure, and dignity of a mongoloid child hungrily shoving shit into its own mouth and masturbating to granny porn at the same time. I don’t blame them for being upset at their own impotence, but no one has to abide by the ruckus people this stupid make. It’s abhorrent.
Oh, but it gets worse. Doug claims that “[a]dditionally, [the Chimp Refuge has] little respect for our desire to enter the battlefield of ideas that is the Blogosphere.” He follows this up with my expression of curiosity about why knuckle-draggers ever bother seriously with political commentary given that following politics involves a lot of reading, writing, and (though not so much anymore) thinking. Not only is this hardly the same thing as not welcoming such contributions, but I, to repeat myself, have all but demanded answers from the Grokkers over and over in this very battlefield of ideas, and Doug and company refuse to even try to serve them up. All I know — and it’s only because I can see it, not because they’ve admitted it — is that they have a radio show no one cares about, a new set of New Hampshire statutes they can’t do anything about, an increasingly left-shifting political scene that they detest, and a god who isn’t there to answer their prayers, and a disturbingly fanboy-esque manner of patting each other on the back for producing things that make very little sense in the environment of a fully developed and intact neurological system. Other than that, I’d say they’re right where they want to be.
The finale is this: “In addition to our words in opposition to civil unions and gay marriage, now the ‘Monkeys’ are upset about this post defending Ted Nugent.”
At this point these guys are, I suspect, flitting around the edges of the Scott Adams defense. (PZ and his readers know what I mean; I can’t be bothered to dig up links, but in a nutshell, the Dilbert creator and his proxies have on multiple occasions used “Hey, we were just funnin’ with ya! Grow a sense of humor!” as a means of dodging the hammer of reason after Adams has said something goofy.) Not only does Doug appear to have forgotten what his own post was about — it wasn’t a defense of Nugent but a nod to his supposed greatness — but I was distinctly not upset by its appearance on GraniteGrok. By complaining that I’m profane and then using the half-crazed Nugent as an example of conservative rectitude, the Groksters are hanging themselves with more rope than I could ever feed them on my own; no more stark example of hypocrisy exists. (Well, there’s always that other Ted on the right, the fellow in Colorado with a thing for stimulants and young men.)
Doug’s coda is this: “Here’s a YouTube of what we here at the ‘Grok do sometimes on the weekends to unwind. I’m sure that it won’t sit well with the liberal monkeys at the Chimp Refuge, but, oh well. Maybe if they took their sons out to do something like this, instead of to the gay pride rally… er, never mind.” This is followed by a large, blank white space where a YouTube video is apparently supposed to be. Fittingly, either the video is no longer online or Doug has fucked up the code.
I imagine the clip is of some kind of hunting and fishing expedition, and though I do find these boring, I don’t really give a shit whether others enjoy them as long as I’m not shot during a trail run. New Hampshire’s an outdoorsy place, which is a nice way of saying that lots of its now-dead citizens don’t understand that snowmobiles are to be ridden on lakes after they freeze over. But the take-home message is that Doug, whom I believe is around 45 or 50 years old, argues exactly like a third-grader to the bitter end. And the end this is. If, by some miracle, these putzes do decide to talk at the level of facts or viable (non-Bible-driven) opinions about gaydom or anything else, we’ll be more than accommodating here. If not, I’m sure you’ll find someone else who loves you just as much, and Judy can go on singing about how much she enjoys being called names.

  1. #1 by coturnix on August 27, 2007 - 12:32 pm

    This is a very bold post.

  2. #2 by Rev. BigDumbChimp on August 27, 2007 - 12:36 pm

    Quick, someone grab a gun. There’s a loose B tag out there and he’s angry!

  3. #3 by Rev. BigDumbChimp on August 27, 2007 - 12:43 pm

    I suspect there will be the oh so on point rebuttal to this shortly…. BAH just kidding.
    In their defense, you tube has been acting up all day. However, the rest you say is true.
    I did read this incorrectly but humorously fittingly.

    But the take-home message is that Doug, whom I believe is around 45 or 50 years old, argues exactly like a third-grader to the biter’s end.

    Personally knowing a third grader who acts like that.

  4. #4 by JimFiore on August 27, 2007 - 1:01 pm

    unbold added.

  5. #5 by sailor on August 27, 2007 - 1:04 pm

    “Interspread”
    You put two peices of bread together, dip a knife in peanut butter and pass it between them?

  6. #6 by tharding on August 27, 2007 - 1:07 pm

    I haven’t read all of the posts leading up to this, so maybe this has already been mentioned, but do you suppose these guys actually know the origin of the word “Grok”? They mention that it came from “Stranger In a Strange Land” but have they actually read the book. It is a parody to the point of outright assault on everything they hold sacred in their blog.

  7. #7 by Warren on August 27, 2007 - 1:14 pm

    “Interspread”
    You put two peices of bread together, dip a knife in peanut butter and pass it between them?
    Posted by: sailor

    No no no, it’s a kind of sandwich topping you can only get on the internet. It’s most commonly used with Spam.

  8. #8 by doug on August 27, 2007 - 1:31 pm

    testing to see if you’ll actually post a comment by me… you apparently blocked us, at least earlier, because it wouldn’t accept it. if this works, I’ll comment, but if not, well, you guys are full of it for challenging us to answer your questions

  9. #9 by doug on August 27, 2007 - 1:31 pm

    testing to see if you’ll actually post a comment by me… you apparently blocked us, at least earlier, because it wouldn’t accept it. if this works, I’ll comment, but if not, well, you guys are full of it for challenging us to answer your questions

  10. #10 by doug on August 27, 2007 - 1:32 pm

    hooray!!! it worked. I’ll repost my comment on the other monkey rant now. thanks!

  11. #11 by afarensis on August 27, 2007 - 1:47 pm

    Perhaps they should read this

  12. #12 by afarensis on August 27, 2007 - 1:47 pm

    Perhaps they should read this

  13. #13 by Kevin Beck on August 27, 2007 - 1:49 pm

    “you apparently blocked us, at least earlier, because it wouldn’t accept it.”
    I’ve never blocked anyone or deleted any comments. We do have a picky spam filter, so don’t be jabbering about C1al1s, inc*st, or Tex-as.
    Curious about the lack of funky-looking text, I went in to MT a few minutes ago looking for a rogue {b} or missing {/b) tag before seeing Jim’s comment that he’d made a correction. One thing that was strange is that I actually found an unclosed bold tag, and these ordinarily are not benign in FireFox the way they are in IE. I just installed FF 2.0.6 yesterday; maybe that’s it.
    tharding — oddly, “grok” has always been one of my favorite words. So has “grog.” I’ve been meaning to mention the irony of these guys’ using it, but have been preoccupied with…well, you can see.
    What’s also funny is that their site banner features the Old Man of the Mountain, formerly New Hampshire’s iconic symbol but now tits up after sliding off the side of Cannon Mountain a few years ago. Somehow, the depiction of a fallen rock formation belching out “Grok!” on a site located in the ghetto of Wingnutville is poignant, hilarious, and pathetic at the same time.

  14. #14 by mg on August 27, 2007 - 2:49 pm

    Doug is boasting on his site how you are not allowing him to comment. How dishonest can these assholes get.

  15. #15 by Kevin Beck on August 27, 2007 - 3:11 pm

    “Doug is boasting on his site how you are not allowing him to comment. How dishonest can these assholes get.”
    In answer you your question, there’s probably no limit. And I’m just as shocked as I was this morning that he’s doing nothing but cawing about arcane bullshit. I don’t see whatever it was he supposedly tried to post here anywhere on his own site, so it couldn’t have been too important — if I wanted to chime in over there and believed I had been banned, I’d sure as hell write it here.
    All that remains is for one of these three to wind up in some kind of embarrassing fuckup in the next couple of years — jacklighting deer, wrecking a boat on Lake Winnepesaukee with a few roaches on board, soliciting sex from a tranny who’s actually an undercover cop, that kind of thing.

  16. #16 by Adrienne on August 27, 2007 - 3:15 pm

    Maybe they are reclaiming “grok” for Jesus.

  17. #17 by Rev. BigDumbChimp on August 27, 2007 - 3:16 pm

    Here’s a YouTube of what we here at the ‘Grok do sometimes on the weekends to unwind. I’m sure that it won’t sit well with the liberal monkeys at the Chimp Refuge, but, oh well. Maybe if they took their sons out to do something like this, instead of to the gay pride rally… er, never mind…

    As a gun owner and a childless happily married chimp, all I can say is…. classy.

  18. #18 by JimFiore on August 27, 2007 - 4:07 pm

    Here’s an interesting exchange on their comment stream:


    [UPDATE-- NOW THEY ARE APPARENTLY BLOCKING US FROM POSTING COMMENTS TO THEIR BLOG--SOMETHING WE WILL NEVER DO HERE AT THE 'GROK!!] Actually, no they haven’t, and you know this.

    Posted by: mg | August 27, 2007 2:45 PM
    Yeah, well I’ve been tryin’ to post a comment all afternoon, and other than the non- comments I was able to put there earlier, I have been unable to get anything but an error message.
    Posted by: doug | August 27, 2007 3:50 PM

    Because they hold comments for approval, I thought it would be good to copy it here and add my comment:
    “You are not blocked, were not blocked and never have been blocked. Further, there are no comments in the junk file. Maybe you’re just incompetent. I mean, it’s not like there isn’t precedent for that.”

  19. #19 by Kevin Beck on August 27, 2007 - 6:11 pm

    “As a gun owner and a childless happily married chimp, all I can say is…. classy.”
    This is another characteristic of right-wingers. They’re too mentally stunted to examine issues based on individual merits, so to them, being a Republican represents a package deal: Pro-gun, anti-tax (allegedly, but they take it in the ass just like everyone else and usually don’t notice), anti-abortion, pro-death penalty, anti-global warming, pro-Jesus, anti-homosexer, etc. There are exceptions, but not among the dingbats.
    As a result, they assume non-wingers are equally lazy and stupid and feel the same way. It’s the only world view they can conceive of. Because they assume anyone who criticizes stupidity must be a raging liberal, some of my ideas would startle them.
    If Doug really wants to be heard here and is being stymied by the software and not his own ineptitude, he can e-mail his comment to the addy listed at “About” up there. But as no one else seems to be having a problem, he’s probably just being a mendacious twatknocker again.

  20. #20 by kemibe's mom on August 27, 2007 - 7:29 pm

    I wonder if they’ve (the Groksters of course) heard that another one of the fine Conservative Republican Senators is in some hot water. Seems he was caught in an airport men’s room (in June) trying to get friendly with an undercover police officer. The amusing thing is that he didn’t fight the charges………..pleaded guilty and paid his fine, hoping, I’m sure that by doing this, no one would find about it.
    SURPRISE! So, HOMOSEXUAL activities in a public bathroom! When will Senator Larry Craig (Idaho) go into rehab? Incidentally, the American Conservative Union gave him a 96 out of 100 rating for his 2005 votes. Can you say hyp……….o……crite?
    He’s up for reelection in 2008.

  21. #21 by kemibe's mom on August 27, 2007 - 7:29 pm

    I wonder if they’ve (the Groksters of course) heard that another one of the fine Conservative Republican Senators is in some hot water. Seems he was caught in an airport men’s room (in June) trying to get friendly with an undercover police officer. The amusing thing is that he didn’t fight the charges………..pleaded guilty and paid his fine, hoping, I’m sure that by doing this, no one would find about it.
    SURPRISE! So, HOMOSEXUAL activities in a public bathroom! When will Senator Larry Craig (Idaho) go into rehab? Incidentally, the American Conservative Union gave him a 96 out of 100 rating for his 2005 votes. Can you say hyp……….o……crite?
    He’s up for reelection in 2008.

  22. #22 by Bill from Dover on August 27, 2007 - 7:59 pm

  23. #23 by Rev. BigDumbChimp on August 28, 2007 - 8:22 am

    hahaha
    Very nice Bill. Might want to give the NSFW tag on that one. I know that the filters on our web content firewall would be alerting me that someone was hitting that site.
    still funny though

  24. #24 by Rev. BigDumbChimp on August 28, 2007 - 8:22 am

    hahaha
    Very nice Bill. Might want to give the NSFW tag on that one. I know that the filters on our web content firewall would be alerting me that someone was hitting that site.
    still funny though

  25. #25 by JimFiore on August 28, 2007 - 11:36 am

    As posted on their site (emphasis mine):

    NOW THEY ARE APPARENTLY BLOCKING US FROM POSTING COMMENTS TO THEIR BLOG–SOMETHING WE WILL NEVER DO HERE AT THE ‘GROK!!

    As of 11:29 AM EDT 28 Aug, my comment which was entered at their site at approximately 4 PM yesterday (and reproduced above) has still not shown up on their site. It was accepted with a note that comments need to be reviewed by the admin. It seems to me that the better part of an entire day would be sufficient, so that leaves a few possibilities, including: They censor posts in spite of the message above claiming they don’t (and there was nothing profane in my message so “family content restriction” is not a valid argument), they are extremely lazy and lax about checking comments, or they are incompetent. There are some other possibilities as well. Perhaps they were raptured yesterday or they found a really, really, good burger joint and stayed for seconds, and thirds, and fourths. Or maybe they’re out trying to convert some of them thar homosexers back to the straight and narrow.

  26. #26 by Kevin Beck on August 28, 2007 - 1:33 pm

    Like I said, if Doug really has something he feels needs airing and is convinced we’re blocking him, he could either e-mail it to us so that we could post it directly or he could post it on his own blog. He has done neither. I have no doubt he is, to add to the baseline fun of his idiocy, also lying at this point.
    Just has now given a rationale for why civil unions are wrong:
    “vulnerable male and female children with raging hormones were going to be intensely recruited by homosexuals to practice homosexuality”
    So there it is. I guess the fact that gays can convert to straighthood given enough discipline and desire (and shaming) comes with a price — straights can be faggified on demand. Yes, that’s her argument. Of course, even were this really the master plan of gays, reversing NH’s civil-unions legislation would only lead them to redouble their “recruitment” efforts, but Judy doesn’t seem to have thought this issue through.
    What a lost cause of a human being. I really have nothing pleasant to say about anyone that mean, cowardly, and stupid, and the funny thing is that as mud-brained as Doug and Skip are themselves, you can tell they understand at some level that Judy is nuts and bound to become a liability, or would become one were I not the only one in the world bothering to engage them. They evidently see her garbled ideas and nonstop tantrums as being, on balance, better to embrace than not for their righty causes celebre, but just wait ’till she starts writing open threats to Bishop Robinson and gets arrested or something.

  27. #27 by Rev. BigDumbChimp on August 28, 2007 - 2:15 pm

    “vulnerable male and female children with raging hormones were going to be intensely recruited by homosexuals to practice homosexuality”

    I love this argument. It makes you want to go out to the local ALbertson’s and have yourself fitted for a brand new shiny tin foil hat. It’s that vast homosexual agenda to convert all the heteros into homos. I can’t wait until they expose the Masons like organization that is pulling the levers behind the scene of the homosexer movement. Marching pink jackbooted through the neighborhoods snatching up children will nilly and forcing them to listen to Madonna and decorate cakes.
    Never mind they gay man they live down the street from and never notice his sexuality or the lesbian at the bank who handles her money every payday. It’s a load of of shit. Are they worried their sons aren’t secure enough in their manhood to be able to recognize their sexuality for themselves? Is it because they know what it feels like to have to listen to their brand of hate filled ignorant diatribes all the time? Do they really think that all homosexuals are in some secret club we don;t know about that have planning meetings?
    Are they that insane? Really think about it.
    It’s just one more great conspiracy theory to put up on the shelf with the Illuminati, Jews eat Christian Children, all black men want to rape white women and southerners are all racists. Lots of yap yap yap and little substance.

  28. #28 by Rev. BigDumbChimp on August 28, 2007 - 2:15 pm

    “vulnerable male and female children with raging hormones were going to be intensely recruited by homosexuals to practice homosexuality”

    I love this argument. It makes you want to go out to the local ALbertson’s and have yourself fitted for a brand new shiny tin foil hat. It’s that vast homosexual agenda to convert all the heteros into homos. I can’t wait until they expose the Masons like organization that is pulling the levers behind the scene of the homosexer movement. Marching pink jackbooted through the neighborhoods snatching up children will nilly and forcing them to listen to Madonna and decorate cakes.
    Never mind they gay man they live down the street from and never notice his sexuality or the lesbian at the bank who handles her money every payday. It’s a load of of shit. Are they worried their sons aren’t secure enough in their manhood to be able to recognize their sexuality for themselves? Is it because they know what it feels like to have to listen to their brand of hate filled ignorant diatribes all the time? Do they really think that all homosexuals are in some secret club we don;t know about that have planning meetings?
    Are they that insane? Really think about it.
    It’s just one more great conspiracy theory to put up on the shelf with the Illuminati, Jews eat Christian Children, all black men want to rape white women and southerners are all racists. Lots of yap yap yap and little substance.

  29. #29 by Dan on August 28, 2007 - 3:57 pm

    Kevin –
    I think we may have just witnessed blog history made with Judy’s argument that legalizing civil unions means “vulnerable male and female children with raging hormones were going to be intensely recruited by homosexuals to practice homosexuality… .” To my knowledge, this is the first time a full 4 Gribbits (out of a possible 5) has been recorded. One Gribbit, of course, is the universal measurement for a single unit of stupidity as measured by a typical Gribbit blog post or comment. Two Gribbits is rare but impressive; stupidity above and beyond the call of duty, we might say. Three Gribbits is just this side of brain-dead; 4 Gribbits is a level of stupidity usually associated with a doorknob (no offense to doorknobs intended). Five Gribbits is, sadly, terminal stupidity, indicating that the writer has been sucked into a black hole of stupidity from which there is no possible escape.
    I’m not familiar with Judy’s bloviations, so perhaps this level of stupidity is par for the course. If so, we’ll have to revise the Gribbit scale.

  30. #30 by Rhapsody on August 30, 2007 - 12:41 pm

    and drunken sailor enclaves
    Oh that’s a new one for my country, true we are a nation of sailors, where the heck do the groksters think where the Mayflower originally came from? And those founding fathers who fled the country for their believes to begin with (ok we picked up a few more in the UK)? That regime got booted anyway and resulted in a darn fine country, with gay marriages legislated in 2000. And hey, the sky still didn’t fall down on us.
    “religious beliefs and unabashed defense of traditional marriage.”
    Which is? If they’d stick true to theur traditional believes, which sounds like the only rightful place of a woman to be is in the kitchen, why is Judy in a studio and not being at home? Also, before judy starts to use her bible, can I see if she ever had a degree in that? If she’s a clergyman of all sorts before she starts to interpretet a book that is completely beyond her comprehension?
    And what the heck has that to do with your initial question Kevin? It just seems that they keep on dancing around the issue because they know they are wrong. I don’t care about how they would like to defend how they see a traditional marriage. I want good scientific proof, peer reviewed or based on RCCT’s that there isn’t a gay gene on which they claim, based on a book (which ranks as the lowest of lowest in the evidence based medicine pyramid) and leave religion out of it for goodness sake.
    Relegion has nothing, null, nada, noppes, zero to do with science. The scientific method is unbiased, international and free from any form of conviction or belief. But I guess right now that Judy and her team has no clue how science works and that truly shows by now. You know what they say: Just stop feeding those trolls.

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