Rick Warren nixes anti-gay rhetoric

Warren, in case you’ve been in a blackout for several weeks, is the controversial megachurch pastor (yes, I know that’s like saying “canine dog”) chosen by Barack Obama to deliver the invocation at the Jan. 20 presidential inaugural Until the other day, the Saddleback Church Web site contained the following warm-‘n-fuzzy advisory:

Because membership in a church is an outgrowth of accepting the Lordship and leadership of Jesus in one’s life, someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted at a member at Saddleback Church. That does not mean they cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives.

Now, however, this ban on unrepentant sissies has been erased, and Warren himself has been trying to get cozy with the L.A. gay community. As John Aravosis pointedly asks:

So does Rick Warren now welcome gays, all gays, as members of his church? Or is he simply embarrassed of his views – embarrassed of God’s views, per Warren’s own admission? And if Warren is embarrassed of God’s views, then what is he doing as a public spokesman on religion?

Indeed; how can Warren’s own followers take him any more seriously than the rest of us when he makes it clear that his religious views are predicated first and foremost not on genuine faith, but on expediency?
Men like Rick Warren are idiots, but when they make it clear that their relationship with the LORD lies far below the impact of their political machinations on the importance scale, they make their phoniness and lack of real conviction abundantly clear. If Warren’s concession represents a genuine change in his attitude and interpretation of the Bible, it had better be an everlasting one if the members of his flock are to critically accept anything he says (the rest of us wrote off what he and his past, present, and future ilk have to say long ago).
I’d like to think that Obama’s selection of Warren to five the invocation was subterfuge–a conscious ploy to expose the bigotry and hypocrisy of people who claim to be special envoys of the LORD in order to enrich their bank accounts. I doubt this is the case, but I’ll take the consequences of that choice–Obama has made so many solid moves in planning for his presidency that this one stands out like a well-ridden dinosaur at a Baptist-only buffet.

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  1. #1 by JMarra on December 24, 2008 - 9:34 am

    What’s the bad part of exposing Rick Warren in the most velvet-lined, fine-Italian-hand manner available? I personally didn’t know that he was such a homophobe. Warren would probably prefer that his bigotry stay under the radar.
    No more! Now I know, now the rest of the country knows via morning TV and drive-time radio. Rick Warren’s going to be on a huge hot seat from now on. I predict an epiphany and a reversal. And if not, he’ll lose influence and be stickily associated with Palineolithic thinking and all its grunting pitchfork thumpers. Gays certainly aren’t going to let him walk anything but a high-dudgeon gauntlet from now on. Talk about a never-ending hissy fit! Camp camping out on his doorstep! I can hardly wait.
    Let’s toss Ted Haggard into the mix while we’re at it. Can we get a toe tap from Larry?

  2. #2 by Robert Jase on December 24, 2008 - 9:59 am

    Its all part of the Gospel according to Situational Ethics.

  3. #3 by Comrade PhysioProf on December 24, 2008 - 12:00 pm

    There was some Warren spokesperson on one of the bobble-head teevee shows with a GLTB advocacy org spokesperson who tried to get the Warren spokesperson to promise that–since Warren is “building bridges”–would he promise to meet with the leadership of national GLTB advocacy leaders. All the Warren spokeman could say was “hummina, hummina, hummina”. These people are nothing but depraved lying hypocritical sacks of shit.
    Sorry I can’t remember the show. It was linked to by Digby or Pandagon, if I’m not mistaken.

  4. #4 by Kevin Beck on December 24, 2008 - 12:25 pm

    This?
    I love Pandagon except for one thing: Amanda et al. are uncannily skilled at discovering every single fucking example of full-scale stupidity that high-profile people perpetrate. You mentioned that reading Kunstler is a buzz-killer; well, I can’t spend more than five minutes on pandagon without feeling a veritable obligation to go to Six Flags with a huge amount of C-4 crammed into my rectal vault.
    By the way, Warren’s people didn’t completely sanitize the site of homophobic bullshit.
    Ann Althouse seems far too unsophisticated to be a law professor, and I’m not saying this because of her opinions, I’m saying it because she writes and jokes like a freshman poli-sci major. Then again, I am probably giving the profession too much credit–look at Paul Campos, not to mention all of the stupid MD’s, semi-literate PhD’s, and knee-walking stupid pharmacists, dentists, and school-district superintendents, not all of whom are in Texas

  5. #5 by Warren on December 24, 2008 - 12:59 pm

    I just wish the fucker would change his last name.

  6. #6 by Comrade PhysioProf on December 24, 2008 - 5:43 pm

    Yeah, that was the Pandagon post.

  7. #7 by cany on December 24, 2008 - 7:32 pm

  8. #8 by Kevin Beck on December 24, 2008 - 7:46 pm

    Yes, Warren is a flat-out six-day creationist who believes (or says he does) that humans and dinosaurs once existed cotemporaneously:
    What about dinosaurs?
    Question: How do they fit in with the idea that God created the world rather than the world evolving on it’s own? Why doesn’t the Bible talk about dinosaurs?
    Answer: The Bible tells in Genesis 1 that God made the world in seven days, and that he made all of the animals on the fifth day and the sixth day. All of the animals were created at the same time, so they all walked the earth at the same time. I know that the pictures we all grew up with in the movies were that dinosaurs roamed a lifeless, volcanic planet. Remember these are just pictures drawn by someone today! The Bible’s picture is that dinosaurs and man lived together on the earth, an earth that was filled with vegetation and beauty.
    What happened to the dinosaurs? The scientific record lets us know that they obviously became extinct through some kind of cataclysmic event on the earth. Many scientists theorize that this may have been an asteroid striking the earth, while many Christians wonder if this event could have been the worldwide flood in Noah’s day. No one can know for certain what this event was.
    Although it cannot be stated with certainty, it appears that dinosaurs may have actually been mentioned in the Bible. The Bible uses names like “behemoth” and “tannin.” Behemoth means kingly, gigantic beasts. Tannin is a term that includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squid, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs that may have become extinct. The Bible’s best description of a dinosaur-like animal is in Job chapter 40. We don’t know for certain if these are actually dinosaurs or are some other large creatures that became extinct.
    This should not sound so strange. After all, God tells us that he created all the land animals on the sixth day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.
    “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.” Exodus 20:11
    “All things were made through him, and without him nothing was made that was made.” John 1:3
    “Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feed on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God.” Job 40:15-19 (NIV)
    ———-
    I especially like the bit about Christians speculating that the global flood noted in the Ark fable might have wiped out the dinosaurs. What, did Noah fuck up and load two brontosauri of the same sex onto the ship? How did dinosaurs survive in the desert anyway, given that the larger ones pretty much had to remain in the water in order to breathe? Do we have a lot of dinosaur fossils from that part of the world.
    What undiluted, top-tier idiots. By the time Warren gives his invospasm, he will have been so thoroughly trashed in the press (hoisted by his own retard, of course) and exposed as a liar so many times over that no one except pure lunatics will take him at all seriously. Hell, I hope he DOESN’T back out; this is going to be pure comedy cold.

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