Ten minutes you’ll never get back

This video is essentially a contest to see who can appear more absurd. Norm Geisler is ludicrously unsophisticated, while Brannon Howse is simply a liar (“atheism has been responsible for the deaths of nearly 200 million people”) who, in an amusing if pitiful turn, tries to paint his interlocutor, who can barely speak in complete or coherent sentences, as an expert in both logic and cosmology.

Listen to Geisler’s strategy for turning skeptics’ words against them. He claims that skepticism is a form of certainty in itself and that skeptics therefore make self-defeating arguments. Seriously–that’s the beginning and the end of it; no mention of the value of evidence in arguments and no admitting to, or awareness of, the rank hypocrisy of stipulating “(The Christian) God exists” as a default condition
Every common canard is in there, albeit in tabular form–Second Law of Thermodynamics, “moral law giver,” the fact that the universe exists is evidence for an intelligent designer. Geisler has apparently written 70 books (most likely the same one 70 times) yet both these guys seem unaware that they are supposed to keep mum about the fact that ID creationism is, well, creationism. And I find it very hard to believe that someone capable of this really holds a doctorate degree in philosophy.
This kind of yammering would be an embarrassment to a couple of high-school freshmen giving a class presentation, to say nothing of a couple of adults.

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  1. #1 by MHC on February 27, 2009 - 7:58 pm

    Oh dear that was difficult to listen to. I also regret clicking through to his website; that was actually worse than the video. It hurts so much more to read bad arguments than to hear bad arguments. It’s like the fact it’s written down somewhere and persists in time makes it that much more offensive.
    Oh, and looking over the 20-year path to that PhD, I don’t give it much weight. 8 years to get a BA, then an MA in theology, then what looks like 3 different schools before earning the PhD in Philosophy from Loyola, a Jesuit Catholic university.

  2. #2 by Rogue Medic on February 27, 2009 - 10:48 pm

    You had me at Ten minutes you’ll never get back.
    I am glad I only listened to this while doing other things. Therefore it was not a waste. Any time I listen to someone that stupid, I am glad that I learned to be skeptical. I am skeptical of everything. David Hume covered this territory hundreds of years before Intelligent Design was created.
    then what looks like 3 different schools before earning the PhD in Philosophy from Loyola, a Jesuit Catholic university.
    The Jesuits are not known for putting up with this kind of double talk.
    Jes•u•it•i•cal
    1. of or pertaining to Jesuits or Jesuitism.
    2. (often l.c.) practicing casuistry or equivocation; using subtle or oversubtle reasoning; crafty; sly; intriguing. Also,Jes”u•it’ic.

    Random House Unabridged Dictionary, Copyright © 1997, by Random House, Inc., on Infoplease.
    http://dictionary.infoplease.com/jesuitical
    Nobody intelligent would accuse this guy of using subtle or oversubtle reasoning Similarly misguided adjectives would be crafty, sly, and intriguing. Yet he appears to be confused enough to think he is crafty and/or sly. :-)

  3. #3 by Trin Tragula on February 28, 2009 - 1:33 pm

    Pagan spirituality is a form of atheism. Wowza.

  4. #4 by bybelknap, FCD on February 28, 2009 - 9:18 pm

    I have subjected myself to the “worldviewweekend” newsletter for several years now. I don’t know why I do it to myself. The hysteria as the election drew near was pretty priceless. These guys had all the Obamamania: not a natural born citizen, closet crypto fascist islamophilic baby raper out to force teh gayz on us, takin our guns(!) and bibles, not a true christian socialist commie pinko wooooooooooooo!!!!!!
    It all became too much, and I tried to get them to stop, but they wont, so it just goes directly to the junk folder now. Howse is truly scum. But he’s good for a giggle now and then. In very small doses.

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