We’re not condemning gays; they just need to stop it

One of the most disturbing aspects of religious indoctrination is the manner in which is clears the way for large numbers of people to absolve themselves of responsibility for their own judgments, however persistently ignorant. Victims of this kind of programming really do believe that certain forms of raw contempt are not merely advisable but compulsory.
There are certainly plenty of people with fixed ideas that would be considered sexist, racist, or just plain unruly by any impartial adjudicator who would maintain these ideas in the absence of faith. But when you see decent people caught up in the genuine conviction that there’s some great Being out there that just plain loathes the gays it created–and see how at odds with themselves they often are as a result–it puts on full display the power of indoctrination to effect what might, charitably in some cases, be called nonsurgical lobotomies.
Then, of course, there are the gasbags who would be ludicrous and possibly paranoid under the best of circumstances, and when slathered in religion they take on an especially ugly shade of silly. A blogger for OneNewsNow.com complaining about gay-marriage advocate Sean Penn’s comments writes:

[Penn], like the Gay Rights Movement as a whole, totally misunderstands the Message of Christianity. We are not here to condemn anyone of the LGBT lifestyle. For there is no condemnation for those who have repented of sin and are in Christ (See Romans 8:1) … true, Biblical Christianity calls for a stand against evil and sin in a culture that applauds “anything goes.” … Even a loose interpretation of Scripture would support the idea that God had a better plan for us than a LGBT lifestyle. A more honest interpretation would call it an abomination (See Romans 1).

He also mixes in the “it’s okay to rip on Christians” and claims Hollywood on general has robbed the country of Christ.
When I read something as astoundingly self-contradictory as the above passage, I’m tempted to think that the author is lying. He’d have to be, right? I mean, how gullible does he think people are? Does he now know his own very lightly paraphrased claim is that he doesn’t condemn the LGBT “lifestyle” but that it’s an abomination, evil, and a sin and needs to stop? Does he honestly think a gay person would do anything but take umbrage at such crap, even one who knows there’s no hell waiting for him? Normal people do not just approach others and say stuff like “Don’t take this the wrong way but you’re ugly and stupid and need to save yourself from those things” unless they mean offense.
Apparently they do, and it’s hard to imagine anything that could enforce such craziness in an otherwise intact mind other than belief in imaginary authority figures. Never mind that you can never pin these idiots down and evoke any sort of explanation for what damage homosexuality actually does–it’s all about sin, case closed.
They really don’t get why people think they’re morons.

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  1. #1 by Tony P on February 27, 2009 - 4:12 pm

    Last night I went to the RI Senate Hearing on Marriage Equality (S0147) as well as Divorce Equality (S0271)and one egregious bill submitted by one Senator Leo Blais (R) Coventry, Scituate and Foster.
    The Blais bill S0136 had the hand prints of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Providence all over it and when Blais started spouting it was from a memo that Bishop Tobin had sent.
    Of the two equality bills the most dangerous if not passed is S0271. You see, Casandra Ormiston and Roberta Chambers have been through every court in RI trying to dissolve their MA marriage.
    In the last one the the justice told them that if they decide to press their case on constitutional grounds, the courts would have no choice but to strike down the offending statute, the Family Court Act of 1967.
    Think for a moment about what happens when an act establishing a court of law is abolished. What happens to the judgments and orders issued by that court? If the statute was unconstitutional so too were said judgments and orders.
    I so much as reminded the good senators of that fact when I testified last night.
    I hope Ormiston and Chambers do file suit. it would serve the cowardly leadership of the RI legislature right.

  2. #2 by Lofcaudio on February 27, 2009 - 5:17 pm

    Kevin, why do you hate haters so much?
    In all seriousness, as you pointed out the “no condemnation…abomination” paragraph is an incoherent mess. I most certainly do have differing views on these matters than most Christians, but would probably still be considered a “hater” by some.
    It frustrates me how many Christians feel that it is their job to legislate their view of morality on non-Christians. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible which supports such a view. “Taking a stand against sin” doesn’t mean trying to force everyone (Christian or otherwise) to not sin or trying to make sin illegal. It means simply refusing to personally engage in such sinful behavior (whatever such behavior might be).
    I have no opinion one way or the other on marriage bans.

  3. #3 by Joe Shelby on February 27, 2009 - 5:42 pm

    “I don’t want to sound racist, but I don’t want a black man running my country.” – a McCain supporter waiting for Straight Talk Express to arrive in Pennsylvania.
    There was video of that quote on youtube for a bit but it might be gone now that the election’s over.
    “Christianity” alone isn’t responsible for the double-thought, the blatant contradictions between how people act and how they want to be perceived as acting.

  4. #4 by sav on February 27, 2009 - 5:47 pm

    Great post. Thanks.
    The author of the comment you write about is indeed lying, but I guess the civil way to put that is to say he’s being “disingenuous.” But I think that word is too forgiving.
    He doesn’t seem to have the ability to admit he is wrong given evidentiary information. (It saddens but doesn’t surprise me, though, because he’s obviously a person who does not value evidence. Nor self-reflection.) Instead, he gets defensive. That’s a common reaction, but many people are able to see reason after the initial blow, but this person holds onto his defenses at least long enough to write this scathing comment. To “hear” arguments (or anything, really), one has to have a certain ability to intake new information, process it, and come to conclusions based on what they already know to be true and on that new information. The person who wrote that comment seemingly has none of those abilities. I don’t say that to sound snotty; I say it because it’s evident. He didn’t dig deep enough to figure out what really bothered him about what some actor said at some ceremony. And why should he take something like that so personally? Sean Penn didn’t say anything negative about Christianity.
    And isn’t it always the people who hate Hollywood so much that seem to be glued to their TVs during Oscar time? Are they just looking for something to complain about? Or do they secretly love the vacant fabulousness of it all?

  5. #5 by Bill from Dover on February 27, 2009 - 7:18 pm


    Sean Penn didn’t say anything negative about Christianity.

    He didn’t have to. I thought it was pretty much implied.

  6. #6 by elaygee on February 27, 2009 - 8:28 pm

    People who believe that a 2,000 year old dead Jew on a stick is a god are really disturbed and shouldn’t be telling anyone how to live their life.

  7. #7 by Kevin Beck on February 27, 2009 - 8:42 pm

    Lofcaudio, I don’t think you’re a hater. In fact, I’ve seen you admit that your own attempts to reconcile certain tenets of your faith with your other feelings and thoughts has proven difficult at times.
    In fact, few people who chronically let fly with parochial-minded blather are people I would call hateful. What surprises me is the avidity with which they attempt to use legislation to enforce their views and preferences on others. Personally I see no percentage in fighting gay marriage, as this isn’t something that’s proven a problem. But beyond that what’s troubling is the inanity of the arguments. People who rail about the “homosexual agenda” have to know they’re full of shit; it’s clearly not the intention of gays to “convert” others (as if this were possible anyway).
    The “it’s a sin” thing only goes so far in explaining the sheer amount of organized noise some Christians make about the issue–I think fundamentalist religions are sinfully stupid and spend far too much time reminding the readers of this blog of my stance, but I can’t imagine taking that to the level of trying to shut down churches or outlaw Bibles.
    I’m just surprised people persist with such gamely worthless ideas (e.g., “gay unions will tear apart marriage”) so unapologetically. Maybe it’s a safety-in-numbers thing, but to em you’d have to have a rational basis for opposing something as strongly as some oppose gay marriage and the very fact of homosexuality.
    One of the most annoying memes is “don’t call me a bigot just for having a different opinion” from people who meet any criteria for being bigots. I would argue that saying “God dammit!” is not intentionally taking a swipe at the faithful, but I wouldn’t make a snuff/scat film involving various incarnations of the Virgin Mary and then claim I was just out to have some fun and that there are different definitions of “respect.”

  8. #8 by Dexter on March 1, 2009 - 1:52 am

    — Sean Penn didn’t say anything negative about Christianity.
    — He didn’t have to. I thought it was pretty much implied.
    Untrue. False dichotomy.

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